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Two Women, Two Opposing Views Of Obama in San Francisco

By April 16, 2008

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Jay Rosen, writing for the Huffington Post, drew my attention to the fact that the person who broke the 'Obama in San Francisco' story was a woman, Mayhill Fowler. As a citizen journalist, she matter-of-factly reported what she saw and heard in "No Surprise that Hard Pressed Pennsyvlanians Turn Bitter."

No Credit Where Credit is Due

Rosen's mad because the mainstream media used direct quotes from Fowler's blog but never cited her (or Huffpo) as the source, thus disparaging the importance of websites that offer credible reporting from vetted sources:

Citizen journalism isn't a hypothetical in this campaign....It's Mayhill Fowler, who had been in Pennsylvania with Obama, listening to the candidate talk about Pennsylvanians to supporters in San Francisco, and hearing something that didn't sound right to her.

Didn't See It That Way

Another citizen journalist is Glennia Campbell, who writes for MOMocrats and has her own blog as well. She was also at the Obama event in San Francisco, and she heard something very different from what Fowler heard. (Same words, but to her way of thinking, a different meaning and intent.)

Campbell is so bothered by the fallout of Fowler's words that she's calling Fowler on it:

Mayhill Fowler created a tempest in a teapot this week by quoting a fraction of Obama's 40 minutes of remarks and answers to questions. The press, Senator Clinton, and Senator McCain have jumped on this with relish, characterizing Obama, the fundraiser, and those in attendance as "elitist" and "out of touch with the rest of America."
Campbell goes on to explain how she, as the child of blue collar workers, understands what Obama was saying in a way that others can't.

She Said, She Said

What's taking place between the two women is compelling to me, and not for reasons other media might fixate on.

This is not a bitch-slap between two opinionated broads, or a catfight among liberal feminists. It's passionate political discourse from a female perspective - two smart women who have been given the opportunity to take a very public stand and defend their views in front of hundreds of thousands of readers.

Thanks to the power of new media, women's voices and opinions are being amplified and broadcast (pun intended) to audiences eager to expand beyond what they read, hear, and see in the male-dominated traditional media.

In Our Hands

Who's right and who's wrong? Follow the links. Read the two women's opposing viewpoints. Make up your own mind. And if it's not too much trouble, come back here and post your comment. I'm burdening you with the task of forming an opinion and talking about it to spread the gospel.

Why? Gone are the days of women believing it's not polite to discuss politics.

We're electing more and more women as officeholders, and we're making more legislative decisions than ever before. We're speaking up and altering the direction of political discourse in this country.

Now, as Jay Rosen points out, we just need to get the credit we deserve.

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April 16, 2008 at 12:46 am
(1) jacksmith says:



If you think like Barack Obama, that WORKING CLASS PEOPLE are just a bunch of BITTER!, STUPID, PEASANTS, Cash COWS!, and CANNON FODDER. :-(

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary’s than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)

Best regards

jacksmith… Working Class :-)


If you don’t know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering…

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. :-)

Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don’t die from. And I could go on, and on…

April 16, 2008 at 12:47 am
(2) jacksmith says:


Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. With Hillary Clinton you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. “Carpe diem” (harvest the day).

I think Hillary Clinton see’s a beautiful world of plenty for all. She’s a woman, and a mother. And it’s time America. Do this for your-selves, and your children’s future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don’t want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-selves.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama’s primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

Hillary Clinton has been OUT MANNED! OUT GUNNED! and OUT SPENT! 4 and 5 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton’s have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

“This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton)


jacksmith… Working Class :-)

April 16, 2008 at 2:03 am
(3) Karoli says:

This is a great summation of the core conflict here. The lesson we all should take away from it (beyond the cool factor of hearing women’s voices rise stronger in politics) is that when you hear pundits spin and spin and even more spin, understand that they are interpreting things in one way that can just as easily go another.

This was always a subjective call, and the amount of press play around it was horrible, given that there was no “right” or “wrong”.

April 16, 2008 at 3:48 am
(4) Whiteknyght says:

I always find it interesting when commentators, pundits and the like – from either side of the sex or political isle – make comments on how truly working class people think and feel or interpret what’s being said about them… When the bloggers are lawyers, spouses of lawyers, children of lawyers, etc who attended Vassar and Berkeley… yeah, they have really been in the shoes of those they are drawing conclusions for…

April 16, 2008 at 1:47 pm
(5) Lawyer Mama says:

Full disclosure – I also write for MOMocrats, so I am a bit biased. BUT, I love that Glennia has attempted to put out the full transcript of Obama’s speech so that everyone can make their own decision based on his words and not the MSM spin on them.

I may be a lawyer, but my parents aren’t. And no one else in my extended family is. My mom’s family is from New Orleans – a city that really knows what hard times are. My dad’s family is from rural Louisiana. Most from both sides are blue collar workers. I’m sometimes shocked at what I hear from their mouths. Yes, many of them are bitter. They’ll be the first to admit it. And yes, they do rely on God and religion much more. And yes, they love their guns. It’s the same in my husband’s family – farmers from VERY RURAL Southwest Nebraska. Obama wasn’t calling people “stupid” for their beliefs. He was pointing out, and attempting to explain, something that is very true and that I witness first hand on a regular basis.

Sometimes it’s easier to see what’s going on in a culture when you step outside of it and look in.

April 17, 2008 at 1:50 pm
(6) Whiteknyght says:

When you live on $188 take home a week, come talk to me about looking at the culture and why people maybe are bitter.

When you drive a 10-year-old car that is falling apart, but gets 30 miles to a gallon and cost you a stretch of $100 to buy, come talk to me about regular Americans and the culture.

When you have spent the last seven years banging your head against the wall trying to find employment longer than six months or more than $10 an hour, despite being educated, literate, experienced and everything that the powers that be holds up as opposite of the stereotypes of poor people in America… then you can come talk to me about what’s wrong with the country.

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